I had some musings about Raiding as a Warrior and synergies with other warriors that I posted on my guild forum .. I paste here for your perusal as well ...
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As mentioned to Kal a loooong time ago just before dual-specs came out, I was going to take a look at Arms spec DPS and try to work it out. At that time I was raiding as fury.
ARMS:
Stays primarily in Battle Stance.
Advantages:
Battle Stance: A balanced combat stance that increases the armor penetration of all of your attacks by 10%.
Raid Buffs
Blood Frenzy - Increases your attack speed by 6%. In addition your Rend and Deep Wounds abilities also increase all physical damage caused to that target by 4%. DOES NOT STACK WITH ROGUE'S SAVAGE COMBAT
Thunderclap: Ability to use Thunderclap in Battle Stance. If the target is not being tanked by a Prot Warrior, using Thunderclap will help slow the target's speed + damage
Shattering Throw: Ability to use Shattering Throw in Battle Stance.
Throws your weapon at the enemy causing [12 + AP * 0.50] damage (based on attack power), reducing the armor on the target by 20% for 10 sec or removing any invulnerabilities.
Disadvantages
Apart from Bladestorm, most of it's damage is single target (but its hella good - overpower / sudden death)
DPS is dependent on Proc / debuff watching. Bleeds via Crits / Rend must be kept up on the target, Using Sudden Death / Overpower when they proc from a bleed, or using Slam (1.0s cast with talents).
The problem I had with this initially was that I was too busy watching for procs and hence reduces game vision.
Mobility is also a slight issue given that Slam isn't instant and Juggernaut Charge has a CD.
However, these issues are solved with a good UI layout.
Cannot interrupt spells (unless equip a shield for shield bash or change to berserker and pummel)
Questions I have about this spec / things to experiment with / research EJ:
When the target gets below 20%, Execute is available. The question is whether it's more DPS to switch to Berserker and Execute spam, or continue the same rotations (given rend / overpower would no longer be available)
FURY
Stays primarily in Berserker Stance
Advantages:
Berserker Stance: An aggressive stance. Critical hit chance is increased by 3% and all damage taken is increased by 5%.
Raid Buffs
Rampage - Your melee critical hits cause you to go on a rampage, increasing ranged and melee critical hit chance of all party and raid members within 45 yds by 5%. Lasts 10 sec.
Pummel - interrupt spells
AoE damage - Whirlwind + Cleave (glyphed) alternative to Heroic Strike
Mobility - All abilities are instant cast as well as slight self-healing (Bloodthirst), although Slam is Proc watched for the instant
Disadvantages
Damage is less compared to Arms with similar gear. (Although apparently Fury is meant to ramp up again with the better gear)
Although 2x2H is awesome looking, other 2H wielding will call you a l00twh0re
Cannot use Shattering Blow / Thunderclap without changing to Battle Stance (hence loss of Rage)
Questions I have about this spec / things to experiment with / research EJ:
None that I can think of at the moment.
SUMMARY
Now, all of the above can be summarised with TLDR (Too Long, Didn't Read)
The important point (which is why I put this in Raid Discussion) is that the specs each bring something unique to the Raid that makes it worthwhile to look at (kinda similar to how each pally has a separate blessing / aura)
Tied into this is Warrior Synergy (which Pudsy and I have been meaning to chat about) which is tied to each of the buffs / debuffs
Blood Frenzy (Arms) - on Target - affects all Physical. Automatic. Just needs bleeds <-- No thought required
Rampage (Fury) - Raid Buff - Automatic. <-- No thought required
Thunderclap (Improved for Prot) - If Prot Warrior tank, No thought required. If non-Prot Warrior tank, Arms Warrior should be adding this to their rotation
Demoralising Shout - Target Debuff <-- Discussion required. DPS warrior should invest 1-5 points to add debuff to Boss AP. Previous Level 70 consensus was that 2 points were enough, however, Level 80 theorycrafting might require 5 points. The problem I see is that it would affect rage generation because Unbridled Wrath might be the talent that is sacrificed
Sunder Armor - Target Debuff - If Prot Warrior tank, No thought required. If non-Prot Warrior tank, DPS warrior should be adding this to their rotation
Shattering Throw - Target Debuff - STACKS with each other AND sunder armor - Discussion required. Should we all do this at the same time when sunder stacks are at 5? When Blood Lust is activated?
This is probably micromanaging too much, but I know I use GCDs on the above stuff .. which is why I ended up coordinating with Pudsy whether he needed me to drop anything for him to save him a GCD.
In the end, he saved me a GCD by having TC, and I saved him one with Demo shout. (Of course this all disappeared when Pixal was MTing .. but then the DPS warriors could have coordinated).
From a Warrior team, we should assign these .. and I think we'd see a small increase in DPS across the board for Warriors.
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Toonsquad:
Blackrock (Horde PvP US)
Redwiggle (L80 Tauren Warrior)
Bankerwiggle (Level 1 Female Blood Elf complete with Tuxedo and Noblegarden Bunny Ears!)
Redmoogle (DK Banker)
Destromath (Horde PvP US)
Cerisewiggle (L80 Orc Shaman)
Redwiggle (L58 Tauren Death Knight) - Redwiggle reborn
Mcwiggle (Undead Mage)
Wigglewiggle (Blood Elf Paladin)
Canuwiggle (Troll Priest Banker)
Icanwiggle (Troll Rogue Stealth Booty Bay Neutral AH Dealer)
Jubei'Thos (Horde PvP Oceanic)
Bankerwiggle
Furrywiggle
Nagrand (Horde PvE Oceanic)
Zunzoink (Failed Undead Rogue Twink)
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Comments (21)
Jul 29, 2008
Andrew Lui (lolzcat) says:
lol, twink my char. I like it My horde shaman has officially transferred to Na...lol, twink my char. I like it
My horde shaman has officially transferred to Nagrand, although I haven't been able to log in to check yet.
I bought a bunch of relatively cheap twink gear from the AH. I think Destromath had better prices than Nagrand from what I've seen. I can start doing runs through SFK for gear on Wednesday (for the rogues which are around level 10).
Jul 29, 2008
Minimoogle says:
Hmmm Throwing Throat Piercers (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29584) - Limited su...Hmmm
Throwing
Throat Piercers (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29584) - Limited supply from Ghostlands Vendor
Useful Quests to do as a group to get items:
Wingblade (Rated 2nd Best OH Weapon): Leaders of the Fang (http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=914)
Trailblazer Boots (Rated 2nd Best Boots): Horde Presence (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=10653) - need to go into Stonetalon Peak (Level 15)
RE: Shadowfang and Assassin's Blade - should probably not go out of our way to get them as the drop rate has been severely nerfed
Jul 29, 2008
Andrew Lui (lolzcat) says:
I agree about the crummy droprate for Shadowfang Shadowfang Binds when equipped...I agree about the crummy droprate for
Binds when equipped
One-HandSword
29 - 55 DamageSpeed 2.70
+ 4 - 8 Shadow Damage
(17.8 damage per second)
Requires Level 19
Chance On Hit: Sends a shadowy bolt at the enemy causing 30 Shadow damage.
Item display is courtesy wow.allakhazam.com.
Binds when equipped
One-HandDagger
20 - 39 DamageSpeed 1.90
(15.5 damage per second)
+4 Agility
+3 Strength
Requires Level 19
Item display is courtesy wow.allakhazam.com.
I'll take any of rogues who are around level 10 to SFK to get
Binds when picked up
ShoulderLeather
64 Armor
+8 Agility
Requires Level 15
Item display is courtesy wow.allakhazam.com.
Binds when equipped
One-HandSword
29 - 55 DamageSpeed 2.70
+ 4 - 8 Shadow Damage
(17.8 damage per second)
Requires Level 19
Chance On Hit: Sends a shadowy bolt at the enemy causing 30 Shadow damage.
Item display is courtesy wow.allakhazam.com.
Binds when equipped
One-HandDagger
20 - 39 DamageSpeed 1.90
(15.5 damage per second)
+4 Agility
+3 Strength
Requires Level 19
Item display is courtesy wow.allakhazam.com.
Binds when picked up
Unique
One-HandDagger
18 - 34 DamageSpeed 1.70
(15.3 damage per second)
+4 Agility
+2 Stamina
Requires Level 18
Item display is courtesy wow.allakhazam.com.
Binds when picked up
One-HandDagger
18 - 34 DamageSpeed 1.80
(14.4 damage per second)
+3 Agility
+4 Strength
Requires Level 17
Item display is courtesy wow.allakhazam.com.
I bought
Binds when equipped
ThrowingThrown
23 - 35 DamageSpeed 2.20
(13.2 damage per second)
+2 Strength
Requires Level 15
Item display is courtesy wow.allakhazam.com.
Binds when equipped
ThrowingThrown
18 - 27 DamageSpeed 1.80
(12.5 damage per second)
+2 Agility
Requires Level 14
Item display is courtesy wow.allakhazam.com.
Trinket-wise, we should be able to craft ourselves
TrinketMiscellaneous
Requires Engineering (140)
Use: Restores 150 to 250 health and mana to a friendly target and attempts to dispel any polymorph effects from them. Reduced effectiveness against polymorph effects from casters of level 31 and higher.
Item display is courtesy wow.allakhazam.com.
Binds when picked up
TrinketMiscellaneous
+12 Stamina
Use: Absorbs 750 to 1250 damage. Lasts 20 seconds.
Item display is courtesy wow.allakhazam.com.
PS: I love the wow-item macro!
Jul 29, 2008
Minimoogle says:
Engineering Guides to 150 http://www.wowwiki.com/Engineering#Engineering_guides...Engineering Guides to 150
http://www.wowwiki.com/Engineering#Engineering_guides
EG: http://www.wow-professions.com/wowguides/wow-engineering-guide.html http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13121383&pageNo=1&sid=1#10
Jul 29, 2008
Matthew Jensen says:
Unless we raid Deadmines Woah. Too hardcore for me.Woah. Too hardcore for me.
Jul 29, 2008
Andrew Lui (lolzcat) says:
Let's do it! It will be fun The only problem will be getting there (especially...Let's do it! It will be fun
The only problem will be getting there (especially if your character is only level 5
).
Jul 29, 2008
Matthew Jensen says:
Being horde, even a level 5 will make it easy to WC, the problem im more worried...Being horde, even a level 5 will make it easy to WC, the problem im more worried about is putting up with (and surviving) the Barrens General Chat!
Jul 29, 2008
Minimoogle says:
Whaaaaat? I like Chuck Norris Jokes! http://4q.cc/index.php?pid=fact&perso...Whaaaaat?
I like Chuck Norris Jokes!
http://4q.cc/index.php?pid=fact&person=chuck
(Warning: Some are NSFW)
Yeah .. walking to Deadmines would be a pain and a half.
We'd need a lock to go there and summon everyone.
Jul 30, 2008
Andrew Lui (lolzcat) says:
I'm pretty sure you can swim to Westfall from Booty Bay. Which means we'll only ...I'm pretty sure you can swim to Westfall from Booty Bay. Which means we'll only need to get to Ratchet.
Sep 01, 2008
Minimoogle says:
Finally reached 1600 with Vitara's shammy .. Ran into a double rogue team three ...Finally reached 1600 with Vitara's shammy ..
Ran into a double rogue team three times which we worked out how to beat and scraped over.
I think it must be due to splashing 1k arena points on the throwing knife.
hahaha
Bought the chest and its all good now.
Silly thing was I played 5s the next day and we easily surpassed 1600 .. (sigh)
Played 2s again and we dropped to 1550 again .. LOL
ARGH!
Warhammer Open Beta inc 5 days
Sep 11, 2008
Minimoogle says:
Vit and I hit 1650 after a severe depression (hitting 1500) and causing a change...Vit and I hit 1650 after a severe depression (hitting 1500) and causing a changeup in my gemming / gear.
Gem more for crit and spec swords.
Result: Things die quicker. YES!
Sep 11, 2008
Andrew Lui (lolzcat) says:
You are way to overpowered for this wiki!You are way to overpowered for this wiki!
Sep 11, 2008
Minimoogle says:
If you divide the power / time played in WoW .. I'd be lastIf you divide the power / time played in WoW .. I'd be last
Nov 27, 2008
Minimoogle says:
Okay .. I need to update this. Prot is amazing to level with .. btwOkay .. I need to update this.
Prot is amazing to level with .. btw
Nov 27, 2008
Andrew Lui (lolzcat) says:
The purpleness is blinding me! Ahhh, my eyes!! lol at the new BrownWiggle on Na...The purpleness is blinding me! Ahhh, my eyes!!
lol at the new BrownWiggle on Nagrand
Nov 27, 2008
Matthew Jensen says:
Prot is by far the best warrior talent tree. I love it and will respec there as...Prot is by far the best warrior talent tree. I love it and will respec there as soon as I get some NR gear... Love it.
Dec 01, 2008
Minimoogle says:
NR? Nature Resist? What do you need that for?NR? Nature Resist?
What do you need that for?
Dec 02, 2008
Matthew Jensen says:
I meant northrend gear.I meant northrend gear.
Dec 09, 2008
Minimoogle says:
Oh der ... Tip of the day .. Remember to level up your 2H weapon skills by the...Oh der ...
Tip of the day ..
Remember to level up your 2H weapon skills by the time you reach 80
(I was primarily levelling up and Tanking as Prot)
The reason?
We attempted a raid last night in Naxxramas (10) and on the last boss were were attempting, we needed more DPS,
So I respecced to Fury Titan's Grip.
Fight starts .. I'm getting no rage whatsoever .. I look at the DPS meters and I'm below the healers.
It wasn't until I noticed the ticking up of my weapon skills that it dawned that I still had 350 weapon skill and was just giving Loatheb a back scratch ... EPIC FAIL.
Lucky my buffs still helped the Raid, but really .. made the fight a lot harder that it should have been ....
Dec 09, 2008
Andrew Lui (lolzcat) says:
lol you should have just equipped your epic fishing rod instead.lol
you should have just equipped your epic fishing rod instead.
Mar 16, 2009
Minimoogle says:
No point tracking gear here ... This should answer all the upgrade questions: ...No point tracking gear here ...
This should answer all the upgrade questions:
http://gear-wishlist.appspot.com/